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I recently had my internet upgraded from the 100/40 package to the 250/40 (L to XL) and I’ve noticed that the speeds I get aren’t quite 250mbps or 40mbps.  I am using a Draytek Vigor 165 VDSL modem which is able to use annex 35b supervectoring.  This is connected to an Asus GT-AX11000 router.

My modem has four different firmwares, each with different modem codes (reference) but before I go down the rabbit hole of flashing the firmware multiple times to try each modem code, I wanted to see if there’s any point.  I am currently using the STD one with the default modem code.

Speedtest.net shows ~187mb down and ~33mb up connecting to the syseleven server.  Netflix’s fast.com test shows 190mb down and 28mb up.  This is a fair amount short of the 250/40 advertised.  While this is much better than the 100mb speeds (nearly double), it’s still 60mbps short.  I’m missing out on 25% of the advertised speeds.

These speed tests were done on a computer connected to the router over gigabit ethernet.

The modem’s firmware says that has an attainable rate of 308mb down and 47mb up, but I’m not a DSL expert, so I’m not sure if that’s the max for this modem or the specific line or connection as it’s currently operating.

Below is the information copied from my modem directly.

DSL  Connected : Down Stream : 204174Kbps / Up Stream : 36999Kbps  Vectoring Active

 

VDSL2 Information      (VDSL2 Firmware Version:  8B2607_A/B/C )
  Profile State UP Speed Down Speed SNR Upstream SNR Downstream Up Time
  35B SHOWTIME 36,999 (Kbps) 204,174 (Kbps) 18 (dB) 18 (dB) 0:23:09
Actual Rate 204174 Kbps 36999 Kbps
Attainable Rate 308709 Kbps 47419 Kbps
Path Mode Fast Fast
Interleave Depth 1 1
Actual PSD 14. 5 dB -4.-3 dB
 
 
  Near End                  Far End                   
Trellis ON ON
Bitswap OFF ON
ReTx 1   1  
SNR Margin 19 dB 11 dB
Attenuation 9 dB 5 dB
CRC 0 16
FECS 0 s 0 s
ES 0 s 6 s
SES 0 s 0 s
LOSS 0 s 0 s
UAS 102 s 1070635 s
HEC Errors 0 0
RS Corrections 0 0
LOS Failure 0 0
LOF Failure 0 0
LPR Failure 0 0
NCD Failure 0 0
LCD Failure 0 0
NFEC 32 32
RFEC 16 16
LYSMB 16 16

 

Edit by o2_Katja: Moved to our english community

Hello @John 8484848 and welcome to our o2 community :relaxed:

I can understand your dissatisfaction with the speed of your internet. So I took a look at your connection. The connection was switched to a 175 Mbit/s VDSL profile. In our confirmation of your tariff change, which you received by letter of December 14, 2021, we informed you that only a maximum bandwidth of 175 is possible at your address. Unfortunately, a higher speed is currently technically not possible with your DSL connection.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Best regards

Giulia

 


Hello @o2_Giulia 

This is not acceptable for me.

Ignoring the question of download speed, this change has downgraded my upload speed from an actual of 37mbps down to now 30mbps.

I have rewired my modem to have a much cleaner line -- my modem reports a SNR Margin that is 4-5 dB higher than when the line was activated, and is now around 22 dB.

My modem shows that the line should be able to run at 310/50, far above the 175/30 package I was put on or even the advertised 250/40.

I never agreed to this 175/30 profile.  Even more, my address has not changed since I agreed to 250/40 and you still advertise the 250/40 package at my address.  I will be researching the new broadband rules which went into effect on December 31, 2022 to see what my rights are.

I am only getting 70% of the currently advertised download speed and 75% of the currently advertised upload speed.

Please submit a ticket to your technical department to increase my line to the 250/40 which your own advertising says is currently possible, and that I agreed to.

I have attached a screenshot showing that you are currently advertising 250/40 to my address

 


The advertised maximum for a particular tariff is not always technically available at every address. That is why you receive a notification of the actual maximum for your line when you enter into the contract or change the tariff. If you did not agree then you should have cancelled the tariff change. Or did you not receive the confirmation mentioned above?

In your screenshot it says "bis zu" (up to) because this product is available at your address.. The next smaller tariff only has a maxim.if 100.

The new rules you are talking about came into effect on 1st December and this is why you should have received notification of the max. availability to give you the possibility to cancel. You should also be aware that even if you were to switch to another provider, it is unlikely you will get a faster speed unless that provider has its own fibre connections at your address.


hi @bs0 this is the second thread you’ve commented on like this.  I don’t know why you are spending your personal time to tell me that I should not expect what I am paying for...

 

“Up to” needs to be reasonably close, https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/legal/germany-to-force-isps-to-give-discounts-for-slow-internet-speeds/


Yes, for some reason you decided to open a new thread on the same issue. Don't worry about why other people might choose to comment on things in a forum. That is what forums are there for.

I can't help it if you don't understand what you are being told or answer questions. Did you or did you not receive confirmation of the maximum available at your address? This is important. Yes, the new rules require ISPs to give discounts if the speed reached is lower than that that was promised in your contract. So the question is what it says in your contract and not what the website advertised as a maximum for the product. If o2 didn't inform you of the maximum then you are right, if the required speedtests show the specified deviation then you would most likely be entitled to a discount.


@bs0 the only reason I use this forum is because o2 telephone support never does what they say they will and does not follow through on anything.  I called their support 3 or 4 times, waiting for 45min on hold each time, for their agents to tell me that my upgrade would happen in 14 days, but it never happened.

This is a question from me to o2 and it relates to my specific contract and my specific connection.  It is not a general request for help.  While I cannot stop you from commenting on this thread, please understand that you’re not helping me and I don’t appreciate it.

 

 


Actually I am trying to help you, it just isn't what you want to hear. I could tell you what you want to hear if you would prefer that, but it wouldn't be the truth.

You don't have to answer the question about your contract, but you will appreciate that not doing so will lead people (myself included) to draw certain conclusions.

In any case, you are right, you can't stop people commenting, but equally I see no reason to waste any more of my time trying to get a point across you clearly don't seem to want to accept or understand. I am certainly not posting here to annoy you or because I have nothing better to do. It is a shame you appear to see it that way. On that note, I will henceforth gladly refrain from posting further replies here.


Hello @John 8484848,

unfortunately we can not order a 250 Mbit/s line for your adress at the moment as Deutsche Telekom has just refused it. We will gladly try again in one month, please contact us again then.

If you want to have your monthly charges reduced due to the lower bandwidth, please use this form: Antrag auf Minderung. This requires a measurement of the data transmission rates using the Federal Network Agency's tool. A detailed explanation can be found under the link.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Best regards

Giulia


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